Mar 16, 2026 Finance & Audit Committee

IT 1215.

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UH, IT IS 1215.

I AM MANUEL MARKET CHAIR.

THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE.

UH, WE HAVE WITH US LEGISLATORS, ANDERSON HUSKY AND FRANKLIN.

UM, WE HAVE

[ORDINANCES IN COMMITTEE]

[RESOLUTIONS IN COMMITTEE]

[A RESOLUTION awarding a twelve-month contract, with three twelve-month options to extend, for training, consulting services, and software maintenance on the Mobile Assessor Software for use by the Assessment Department to Woolpert, Inc. of Dayton, OH, as a sole source purchase, at an actual cost to the County in the amount of $114,355.00.]

OF DAYTON, OHIO AS A SOLE SOURCE PURCHASE AT AN ACTUAL COST OF THE COUNTY, THE AMOUNT OF $114,355.

MR. EXECUTIVE, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.

UH, THIS ISSUE, UH, ATTEN, UH, WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY LEGISL SEAN SMITH.

I BELIEVE THERE WAS, WAS, UH, SOME ISSUE REGARDING THE FACT TO THE PREVIOUS, WHEN THE STATE AUDITOR WAS INVOLVED IN GETTING INFORMATION OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS FOR THE AUDIT OF ASSESSMENTS.

THEY HAD SOME PROBLEMS OR THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE FORMER COMPANY OF THIS WALPERT COMPANY AND GETTING DATA.

AND SO I TOLD THE LEGISLATURE I WANTED SOME TIME TO GET WITH WALPERT AND GET SOME CONDITIONS ADDED TO THE CONTRACT THAT, THAT THEY WOULD SUPPLY DATA WHEN ASKED.

AND ACTUALLY IT WASN'T THE, THEY DID NOT SUPPLY DATA TO US, IT WAS MAYBE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

BUT THE BIG ISSUE IS I'VE, I DO HAVE A CONTACT WITH WILPERT, UM, AND I'M GONNA MEET WITH THEM THIS WEEK AND I'M GONNA GET THOSE CONDITIONS ADDED TO THE CONTRACT THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE AND, AND ARE OBLIGATED TO SUPPLY ANY DATA THAT WE WANT FROM THEM OR ANY DESIGNATED PERSON THAT WE WANT FROM THEM, AND THAT THEY WILL KEEP THAT DATA.

SO IF I WOULD REQUEST, IF YOU COULD HOLD THIS FOR ANOTHER WEEK, I'LL GET THOSE ANSWERS TO YOU BY NEXT WEEK.

UH, IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO HOLDING MR. EXECUTIVE? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING SOME LANGUAGE AS WELL, SO, SO WE CAN WORK ON THAT.

UH, IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE HOLD, UH, LEGISLATOR SMITH, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I WAS JUST GIVEN A THUMBS UP FOR, UM, WHAT THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE JUST SAID.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

WE WILL HOLD 2 2 1 7 5 2 2 1 8 4

[A RESOLUTION awarding a contract for annual software maintenance for use by the Collection Department to Aumentum Technologies of Niagara Falls, NY, at an actual cost to the County in the amount of $642,563.00, as a sole source purchase.]

MR. EXECUTIVE, UM, I, THAT WAS ALSO ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I WANTED TO TALK TO.

MOMENTUM AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, HEAD OF MOMENTUM LAST WEEK.

UM, THEY'VE DIRECTED ME SOME TO SOME ISSUES WITH TYLER, SO IF I CAN ASK FOR ANOTHER HOLD WITH THAT.

UM, FOR THIS BODY AND ANYONE LISTENING, I'M IN THE BUSINESS OF GETTING OUR SOFTWARE PROGRAMS TO WORK TOGETHER, AND I'M FINDING THEY DON'T.

AND, UM, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT FINDING THAT IT'S ANYBODY'S FAULT, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET THE ASSESSMENT USES ONE COLLECTION USED ANOTHER, AND THEY'RE NOT WORKING.

AND IT MAKES NO SENSE.

IT MAKES THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT LOOK INCOMPETENT WHEN IT'S REALLY NOT OUR FAULT.

IT'S THE, THE SOFTWARE NOT WORKING TOGETHER.

SO I'M ON A MISSION TO GET THEM TO WORK TOGETHER.

UM, I HAD A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH MENTUM ABOUT THAT AND I WANNA FOLLOW BACK UP AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH TYLER ABOUT SPECIFICALLY MENTUM AND TYLER TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND HELPING OUR COLLECTIONS AND ASSESSMENT WORK TOGETHER.

SO IF WE COULD HOLD THAT FOR ANOTHER WEEK, I HOPE TO GET SOME ANSWERS BY NEXT WEEK.

OKAY.

UM, SO WITHOUT ANY OBJECTION, WE WILL HOLD THAT ONE

[A RESOLUTION authorizing the County Counselor to execute a twelve-month contract, with one twelve-month option to extend, for legal services to Seyferth, Blumenthal, and Harris, LLC., of Kansas City, MO, at a cost to the County not to exceed $100,000.00 as a sole source purchase.]

MR. KAVINSKI? YES.

UH, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.

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UM, YEAH, THIS IS, I'M SORRY.

UH, THIS A JOKE.

OH, I DIDN'T HEAR IT.

I APOLOGIZE.

ALRIGHT.

WE, WE WERE TRYING TO, UH, WE, IN THIS RESOLUTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO HIRE SEAFORD, BLUMENTHAL, AND HARRIS FOR THE WORK THEY DO WITH UNIONS AND BASICALLY IN EMPLOYMENT WORK.

UM, CHARLIE HARRIS HAS A LONG HISTORY AND EXPERIENCE IN EMPLOYMENT, LITIGATION AND UNION WORK.

AND SO THIS WAS A CONTRACT THAT, UH, DISCUSSED WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO SEE IF WE COULD GET, UH, MR. HARRIS TO STEP IN AND HELP US WITH A, A NUMBER OF NEGOTIATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON THIS YEAR.

MR. KAVINSKY, THIS IS ALSO AN AND, AND TO HELP YOUR DEPARTMENT RIGHT, SUSTAIN SOME OF THE LEGAL WORK THAT, UM, CONTINUES TO COME THROUGH THE OFFICE WITH WITHOUT ADDITIONAL HELP.

THIS IS KIND OF THE SUPPLEMENT FOR THE EMERGENCY.

YEAH.

YES.

THIS WAS ONE OUT, WE WOULD REQUESTED IT BEFORE THE EMERGENCY KICKED IN, UM, BECAUSE OF THEIR EXPERIENCE AND BECAUSE MS. MILLER, UH, AND MR. HONEY WERE, WERE TRYING TO HANDLE ALL OF THESE.

UM, AND SO WE WOULD REQUESTED THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT IT DOES KIND OF BECOME MORE OF AN EMERGENCY NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE OTHER ISSUES WITH OUR LITIGATION DEPARTMENT.

UM, SO I'D ASK THE COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL FOR THE

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SO IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE THERE? SECOND.

SECOND.

BEEN MOVED AND SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? ONE CLICK I'LL, UH, VICE CHAIR SMITH.

I I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF THESE ARE SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS AND REQUIRING ORDINANCE INSTEAD OF A RESOLUTION.

I SUSPECT THAT THESE MONIES ARE ALREADY BUDGETED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS JUST OUTSIDE LEGAL SERVICES.

IT'S IT'S IN THE BUDGET, YES.

YEAH.

BUDGETED, UH, LEGISLATORS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UH, MR. KAVINSKY, WHAT IS, UH, OR DO YOU KNOW THIS LAW FIRM'S BACKGROUND WITH LABOR OR WITH UNIONS? YOU MENTIONED THEIR WORK WITH UNIONS.

DO YOU KNOW ANY OF THEIR WORK? I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

MS. ANDERSON? YES.

UH, ESPECIALLY CHARLIE HARRIS IS A FORMER, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE MISSOURI BALLER ASSOCIATION, AND HE'S WORKED WITH SEVERAL LOCAL, LOCAL UNIONS IN PROVIDING ASSISTANCE IN, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER CBAS INSTEAD OF MOUS, AND HAS A VAST MAJORITY OF WORK WITH LABOR UNIONS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MR. ANDERSON, JUST TO, TO PUT A CHERRY ON TOP OF THAT, AT, UH, CONVERSATIONS TALKING TO EXECUTIVE VODA, I'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO RALPH FORZA AND DUKE, DUKE KOVICH, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH OF THEM AGREE THAT THIS IS A BENEFIT TO US, AND I THINK IT IS NET NET POSITIVE BENEFIT.

UH, AS LONG AS WE ALL WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS COLLECTIVELY, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY BELIEVE THIS IS A BENEFIT TO THEM AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU, SIR.

I APPRECIATE IT.

MM-HMM .

ALL RIGHT.

SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY THE SIGN OF AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? APPEARS AYES HAVE IT.

THE AYES DO INDEED HAVE IT.

SO WE WILL ADVANCE THAT TO THE LEGISLATURE.

2, 2 1 9 3.

[A RESOLUTION authorizing the Chairman of the Legislature to execute a Consulting Agreement with Marcus Winn of Heartland Communications, LLC, of Kansas City, MO, to provide communication and policy services to the Legislature, at a cost not to exceed $30,000.00]

SO I'LL TAKE THIS ONE ON.

THIS WAS, UM, CONVERSATIONS THE EXECUTIVE AND I HAVE HAD TALKING ABOUT FILLING THE COMMUNICATIONS POSITION, UH, PERMANENTLY.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY, MR. THOMAS, UM, WAS NOT ABLE TO BE WITH US THE LAST 30 OR 60 DAYS TO GET THIS PERSON HIRED AS PLANNED.

UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING TO EXTEND, UM, MR. WYNN'S CONTRACT.

HE WAS, UH, HIRED LAST YEAR TO ASSIST US WITH KIND OF THE COMMUNICATIONS, GETTING NEWSLETTERS OUT, GETTING US DATA, GETTING US, UH, COMPREHENSIVE UPDATES FOR LETTERHEAD AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

AND SO, UH, THIS IS EXTENDING HIM UP TO A YEAR, UP TO $30,000, UM, SO THAT HE CONTINUE, CAN CONTINUE THE WORK THAT HE'S BEEN DOING.

UM, SO IF YOU'VE SEEN MARCUS AROUND, HE HAS CURRENTLY NOT BEEN PAID SINCE DECEMBER OF 31ST.

UM, AND SO THIS IS ALSO CATCHING HIM UP, BUT, UH, ALLOWING HIM TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR OFFICES TO GET COMMUNICATIONS OUT THE DOOR.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT.

HE UNDERSTANDS THAT $30,000 IS ALL THE WAY THROUGH DECEMBER.

SO IF, UM, THERE'S SOME SITUATION WHERE WE NEED HIM IN ADVANCE, THAT THAT $30,000 IS WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT.

THAT'S WHAT WAS BUDGETED FOR.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS.

MR. CHAIRMAN? OH, I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD, MR. EXECUTIVE.

THIS, THIS IS SPECIFIC COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE LEGISLATURE TOO, CORRECT? YES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT.

OKAY.

IT'S BEEN MOVED.

SO MOVED.

IS THERE? MOVED AND SECONDED.

UM, ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY THE SIGN OF AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

UH, ANY OPPOSED? IS CHARLIE THERE? AYES HAVE IT.

HE'S GOTTA TURN HIS CAMERA ON IF HE WANTS TO VOTE.

AYES DO INDEED HAVE IT.

SO THAT'S ADVANCED TO THE LEGISLATURE.

UH, 2 2 1 9 9

[A RESOLUTION awarding a twenty-four month term and supply contract with two twelve month options to extend for the furnishing of pro shop articles for resale by the Parks + Rec Department to Acushnet/Titleist and FootJoy of Fairhaven, MA, as proprietary purchases.]

MR. EXECUTIVE, THIS IS A TYPICAL CONTRACT THAT WE'RE BUYING THE THINGS WE SELL IN THE PRO SHOP AT THE FRED ARBAN GOLF CLUB.

OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THOUGHTS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS.

BEEN MOVED.

IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY THE SIGN OF AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? APPEARS AYES HAVE IT.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

AYES DO INDEED HAVE IT.

YES.

THIS, I THINK WE ASKED THAT AFTER THE CASE.

UM, MOVING ON TO

[A RESOLUTION authorizing the Jackson County Legislature to execute a Legal Services Agreement with Spencer Fane Law Firm of Kansas City, MO, for legal advise in an amount not to exceed $100,000.00, as a sole source purchase.]

UM, I WILL TAKE OFF A CHUNK OF THIS FIRST, AS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DID WORK WITH BRIAN WITH TO KIND OF CREATE, UM, WITH A DISCUSSION THAT, UM, TO HELP DRAFT LEGISLATION BROADLY,

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SO THIS IS, UM, WITHIN OUR BUDGET, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE BUDGET, I THINK, MULTIPLE YEARS FOR UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

I WILL SAY THANK TO, THANKS TO OUR COUNTY EXECUTIVE FOR ALLOWING US TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, BECAUSE NEVER IN THE PAST HAVE WE HAD AN EXECUTIVE WHO WAS SUPPORTIVE OF US, UH, SEEKING THIS TYPE OF LEGAL COUNSEL, UM, UP TO, SO THIS IS A UP TO AS NEEDED SCENARIO THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY ON COUNCIL OFFICIALLY, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE'VE HAD FIRMS SUPPORT US IN THE LEGISLATURE FOR DISCUSSIONS AROUND THE STADIUM FOR, UH, ONE OTHER ISSUE THAT I CAN'T RECALL RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD INTEND TO DO.

SO THERE MOTION MOVE TO ADOPT SARAH.

SECOND.

I SECOND THEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OH, LEGISLATIVE PEYTON.

THANK YOU.

I KNOW THAT, UM, LEGISLATOR SEAN SMITH HAD BROUGHT UP BEFORE, UM, IN REGARDS TO SOLE SOURCE LEGAL SERVICES ABOUT IT NOT GOING OUT BID.

UM, DID THIS GO OUT BID OR WHY WAS THIS FIRM SELECTED? YEAH, I THINK THIS WAS A FIRM THAT WE HAD WORKED WITH IN THE PAST, BUT MR. KAVINSKY, GO FOR IT.

YEAH.

IT ALSO HAD SOME UNIQUE EXPERIENCES WITH THE ISSUES THAT THE LEGISLATOR HAD ASKED ABOUT IN REGARDS TO THE, THE, UH, WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE ISSUES THAT WE HAD OUTLINED PREVIOUSLY.

AND SO, UM, IN SPEAKING WITH THE CHAIR, I, I DEFERRED TO, AND I'VE WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE, SO IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN ASSISTING THE COUNTY IN THESE MATTERS, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A GOOD RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

MM-HMM .

CLARIFICATION, IF I MAY.

UH, VICE CHAIR SMITH.

SO, UM, WHEN I ASKED ABOUT A SOLE SOURCE, IT WASN'T, I DON'T THINK ON THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION, IT WAS ON A, A RESOLUTION TO AWARD A CONTRACT TO AN ATTORNEY WITH CHAPTER 100 EXPERIENCE.

THIS, THIS IS NOT THAT CORRECT, MR. KAVINSKY? THAT'S CORRECT.

THANK YOU.

UM, AND THAT, UH, POINT OF CLARIFICATION, VICE CHAIR, THAT WAS FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POSITION, I BELIEVE.

WAS THAT CORRECT? UH, YEAH.

YEAH.

AND I, I BELIEVE LAST I HEARD THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE WITHDRAWN, SO I THINK THAT WAS SOMEONE TO, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT FOR LEGISLATURE AS A WHOLE IF WE NEED TO, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, OKAY.

PERFECT.

YEP.

I WAS PRETTY SURE I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

YEP.

UM, ALL RIGHT, SO BACK TO THE MOTION ITSELF AND A VOTE, UM, LEGISLATOR HUSKY STEPPED OUT.

SO CHARLIE, WE MIGHT NEED YOU TO, OUR LEGISLATOR FRANKLY, MIGHT NEED YOU TO POP IN FOR THAT VOTE.

THAT'LL WORK.

ALL RIGHT.

APPRECIATE YOU.

UM, FOR ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY THE SIGN OF AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU.

CHARLIE.

ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE.

IT APPEARS AYES HAVE IT.

THE AYES DO INDEED HAVE IT.

WE'LL ADVANCE THAT TO THE LEGISLATURE.

ALL RIGHT.

[A RESOLUTION authorizing the County Counselor to execute a Legal Services Agreement and Addendums to existing Legal Services Agreements with certain lawyers and law firms at an aggregate cost to the County not to exceed $275,000.00 for services to be performed in 2026.]

MR. KAVINSKY? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THIS IS THE, UH, RESOLUTION WE HAD REFERRED TO EARLIER.

UH, AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, UH, SEARCHING TO GET A CHIEF LITIGATOR AND, AND SOME LITIGATION ATTORNEYS BACK INTO THE OFFICE.

WE HAVE AN EMPLOYMENT CASE SCHEDULED FOR TRIAL IN MAY, AND WE'D LIKE TO HIRE ARMSTRONG TEESDALE FOR THAT CASE.

THAT'S, UH, JOSH ERS, UH, AN ASSOCIATE AT THAT FIRM.

AND THEY ALSO, MR. KETCHUM, UM, HAS REPRESENTED KANSAS CITY ON A NUMBER OF EMPLOYMENT CASES AS WELL.

SO WE REQUESTED THAT THEY GET, WE HIRE THEM FOR THAT CASE.

WE ALSO HAVE, UH, CARTMEL WAG STAFF FOR THE CLASS ACTION CASE THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY PENDING WITH THE KEN MCLEAN, IN WHICH HE'S ASKING FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE THINK IS, AND ANYWAY, WITHOUT GETTING INTO IT, WE BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY'S DEFENSE IS, IS PROPER IN THAT MATTER.

THEY'RE A, A CLASS ACTION FIRM.

THEY'VE REPRESENTED THE HOSPITALS IN THE PAST, AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THEIR EXPERTISE IN THAT MATTER.

WE'VE ALSO HIRED ER, TAYLOR, OR WE'RE REQUESTING FOR THEM.

IT'S, UH, LIZ, JUDY SPECIFICALLY, WHO IS ALSO A PREVIOUS, UH, COUNTY COUNSELOR AND HAS WORKED HERE AND, AND HANDLED OUR APPEALS IN THE PAST.

AND WE WERE AT REQUESTING THAT SHE COULD COME IN AND STEP IN FOR MANY OF THE APPEALS THAT WE'VE HAD CURRENTLY PENDING, UH, RIGHT NOW IN THE APPELLATE COURTS

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JUST TO BE CLEAR, I THINK A QUESTION WAS ASKED UP, APPEAR THIS IS TO SUPPLEMENT YOUR CURRENT LITIGATION THAT YOU'RE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN RIGHT NOW, CORRECT? YEAH.

SO THIS IS, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE SOME STAFF CHANGES, SOUNDS LIKE.

AND, UM, THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO SUPPLEMENT AND HELP, UM, ADVANCE, UH, THE COUNTY'S REPRESENTATION.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS ON RECORD AND NOTED SO THAT WE, UH, HAVE MORE CLARITY THERE.

UM, ANY DISCUSSION OR MOTION MOVE TO ADOPT? IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR YOU INDICATE BY THE SIGN OF AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

YOU OH, AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

, ANY OPPOSED? APPEARS THE AYES HAVE IT.

THE AYES DO INDEED HAVE IT.

ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE? OH, YES.

UH, JUST WANTED TO GO BACK AND MAKE SURE FOR 2, 2 2 0 2.

LEGISLATOR, HUSKY, DID YOU WANT TO, UM, REGISTER YOUR VOTE FOR THAT ONE? AYE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT ONE WAS CLEAR, ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE OF FINANCE AND AUDIT.

ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL NOW ADJOURN AT 1232.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.