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THE TIME IS 1:56 PM AND I AM DONNA PEYTON, CHAIR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, AND I'M CALLING THIS COMMITTEE TO ORDER.
WE HAVE WITH US LEGISLATOR JALEN ANDERSON, LEGISLATOR VANESSA HUSKY, AND, UM, OUR CHAIR.
WOULD YOU CARE TO JOIN IN WITH THE COMMITTEE TODAY? CHAIR? UH, MANNY AB BARCA.
[6089 AN ORDINANCE enacting subsection 2067. Jackson County Code, 1984 relating to tax credits and assessment adjustments.]
A DISCUSSION AND WE HAVE ONE ORDINANCE ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.OUR DISCUSSION IS ON THE FISCAL POLICIES.
SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, AND IT'S BEEN, UH, THREE YEARS, THIS IS MY FOURTH YEAR, WE HAVE HAD THE SAME FISCAL POLICIES THAT HAVE APPEARED IN THE FRONT OF OUR BUDGET BOOK.
I HAVE SENT THESE POLICIES OUT IN ADVANCE AND ASKED FOR INPUT FROM THE LEGISLATURE REGARDING THESE POLICIES.
I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY, UM, INPUT.
UH, SO IT IS MY HOPE THAT EVERYONE HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE FISCAL POLICIES.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS, REVISIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE, NOW IT'S THE PERFECT TIME.
ADAM CHAIR, IN INTEREST OF, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THIS, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS.
WE HAVE ALLOTTED ENOUGH TIME FOR OUR COMMITTEE MEETING TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THIS.
UM, AND F IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS PERCEIVED THAT WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, FINE.
BUT, UH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THESE POLICIES.
THE PURPOSE, AS IT IS LISTED HERE, IS THAT JACKSON COUNTY HAS AN IMPORTANT RESPONSIBILITY TO ITS CITIZENS TO CAREFULLY ACCOUNT FOR PUBLIC FUNDS TO MANAGE MUNICIPAL FINANCES WISELY, AND TO PLAN THE ADEQUATE FUNDING OF SERVICES AND FACILITIES DESIRED AND NEEDED BY THE PUBLIC.
OUR PURPOSE HERE IN ESTABLISHING A FORMAL SET OF FISCAL POLICIES IS TO ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC'S TRUST IS UPHELD BY ADOPTING A SET OF FISCAL POLICIES.
THE COUNTY WILL BE ESTABLISHING THE FRAMEWORK UNDER WHICH IT WILL CONDUCT ITS FISCAL AFFAIRS, ENSURING THAT IT IS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE CAPABLE OF FUNDING AND PROVIDING OUTSTANDING LOCAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES.
AND I DON'T WANNA SIT HERE AND READ THIS, BUT, UM, LET'S LOOK AT THESE FISCAL POLICIES AND THE OBJECTIVES.
OUR PURPOSE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ANSWERING TO OUR PUBLIC, THAT WE'RE BUILDING PUBLIC TRUST, AND THAT WE ARE ADOPTING POLICIES THAT WILL ESTABLISH THE VERY FRAMEWORK OF HOW WE WILL CONDUCT OUR FISCAL AFFAIRS.
DO WE AGREE THAT THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW WITH OUR BUDGET BOOK NOW? I AGREE.
OR DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS PURPOSE OR LOOK DEEPER INTO THIS PURPOSE? NO, I THINK IT'S, YEAH, THE PURPOSE IS OKAY.
SO OUR FISCAL POLICY HAS SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES, AND I'M NOT GONNA READ THESE OBJECTIVES, BUT I DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK THEM OVER.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR ADMINISTRATION AS WELL TO LOOK AT THESE, UH, POLICIES AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK AS WELL, AND INPUT AS WELL.
UM, I'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
COUNTY EXECUTIVE LAVATA, I'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AS WELL WITH, UM, MR. ABO OR HAVE MR. ABO COME, UM, SO THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO THESE BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE EFFECTIVE AND HE HAS A LOT MORE INSIGHT, UM, INTO WHAT IS GOING TO MAKE THIS DOCUMENT EFFECTIVE.
I KNOW WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE, BUT HAVING GONE IN DEPTH WITH THE, UM, BUDGET POLICIES, I'M SURE THERE'S MUCH MORE HE CAN ADD TO THIS.
AND I DO WANT HIS INPUT AND I DO WANT THE ADMINISTRATION'S INPUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
UM, IT HAS THE REVENUE POLICY.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND CHAIR IS ASK THAT, UH, WE DO TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO THESE POLICIES THAT WE LOOK AT THEM.
UM, I WILL TALK WITH THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND MR. ABO AND GET FEEDBACK FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THESE AGAIN IN DEPTH A LITTLE FURTHER.
HAVE WE TALKED TO OUR AUDITOR, COUNTY AUDITOR ABOUT THIS? 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THIS POLICY WAS CREATED IN THE FRONT PAGE.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE WE DO NEED, UM, YOUR INPUT AS WELL.
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YOU HAVE A VAST RANGE OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA.WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE DON'T WANT, AND IT IS BOILERPLATE OR STANDARD, BUT WE WANNA MAKE IT, UH, EFFECTIVE.
SEAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING.
HELLO SMITH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT ON TIME.
WE ARE MOVING ON TO, BUT LET ME MAKE THIS OTHER POINT.
WE'RE GONNA GET THE INPUT FROM ADMINISTRATION.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET INPUT FROM OUR, UM, ATTORNEY AND, UH, INPUT FROM, WE'D LIKE TO, UH, IT WILL BE TWO WEEKS BEFORE WE PROBABLY COME BACK AS BUDGET COMMITTEE.
MADAM CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, UM, FOCUS ON INITIATIVE ON THIS, ON THIS FORWARD, BECAUSE AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN HERE, THE PAST TWO, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE BUDGET HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS MYSTICAL THING UP IN THE SKY
UM, AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING ON THIS ENDEAVOR.
UM, SO, UM, WE WILL NOT MEET, WE WILL, WHAT IS THE DATE OF NEXT WEEK? 2020 SECOND.
WE WILL HAVE OUTSIDE AGENCY NEXT WEEK, SO THAT FOLLOWING WEEK WILL COME BACK AS A BUDGET COMMITTEE.
I'LL SEND OUT ANOTHER EMAIL REQUESTING INPUT, AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT I SIT DOWN WITH YOU IN ADMINISTRATION.
UM, WE ARE MOVING ON TO ORDINANCE 6 0 8 9.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'M HAPPY, UH, LEGISLATOR SMITH HAS JOINED US, BECAUSE HE'S ALWAYS SUCH A SUPPORT PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
BUT BECAUSE, UM, HE IS THE SPONSOR OF ORDINANCE 6 0 8 9 AND LEGISLATOR SMITH, WE HAVE A LOT OF BACKGROUND NOISE, BUT YOU HAVE YOUR HEADPHONES ON, SO I'M NOT, I'LL DO MY BEST AND STAY ON MUTE AS MUCH AS I CAN.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN SOME AMENDMENTS TO THIS ORDINANCE THAT EVERYONE RECEIVED VIA EMAIL ON WEDNESDAY.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THESE CHANGES.
BUT I DO WANNA OFFER AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LEGISLATOR SMITH TO, UM, GO OVER THESE AMENDMENTS WITH US AND TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT ORDINANCE 6 0 8 9.
AND I CAN'T SEE FOR SURE IF, UM, MS. MILLER IS THERE, BUT THE, THE GIST OF THIS IS THREE THINGS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK AS A GROUP.
UM, ONE WAS, UM, JUST CHANGING THE NAME FROM THE VODA TAX CREDITS TO JUST BE A, A MORE DESCRIPTIVE NAME ABOUT THE FACT THAT THESE ARE CREDITS DUE TO THE REVERSAL OF THE ASSESSMENT FROM 2023.
UH, THE OTHER KEY THING WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARTICULATED CLEARLY THAT IF SOMEBODY HAD PROPERLY PAID UNDER PROTEST AND WERE THERE FOR ELIGIBLE FOR A REFUND IMMEDIATELY, THAT THEY WOULD GET THAT REFUND RATHER THAN WAITING FOR THE THREE YEARS FOR THE CREDIT TO BE RECEIVED.
AND, UM, THERE WAS A THIRD ELEMENT, UH, AND IT'S GONNA COME TO ME, I'M SURE, BUT IF I SIT HERE AND TRY, THEN I'LL FORGET.
BUT THEY, THEY, THEY WERE ALL THREE THINGS THAT WE SEEM TO, OH, I KNOW WHAT IT WAS WAS TO INCLUDE IN THE NEXT, UH, SET OF REASSESSMENT NOTICES OR OTHER NOTICES TO TAXPAYERS WHAT THEIR CREDIT WAS EXPECTED TO BE AS AN ESTIMATE, JUST SO THAT, UM, PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS HAPPENING, UH, WHICH THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, USE TO PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS ALL IS, IS JUST LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, PUTTING IT IN AN ORDINANCE SO THAT IF WE HAVE A CHANGE OF ADMINISTRATION OR SOME OTHER CHANGE OF POLICY, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THIS WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND, UM, MS. MILLER IS NOT HERE TODAY, BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, OUR COUNTY COUNSELOR WITH US, MR. KAVINSKI AND MR. KAVINSKI.
UM, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE EXPOUND ON, UM, THESE CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS THAT LEGISLATOR SMITH HAS COVERED AND ALSO THE COPY THAT WE HAVE.
AND IT JUST MAY BE THAT IT'S, THE COPY THAT WE HAVE DOESN'T HAVE A SIGNATURE FROM THE COUNTY COUNCILOR'S OFFICE.
OH, WELL I, BUT THE COUNTY COUNSELOR'S OFFICE HAS SIGNED OFF ON IT.
THE, IN YOUR PACKET THERE SHOULD BE AN AMENDED PROPOSED BUDGET COMMITTEE AMENDMENT.
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SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET TODAY.THAT INCLUDES THE OUTLINED, UH, CHANGES OKAY.
THAT MY OFFICE WORKED WITH, UH, LEGISLATOR SMITH ON TO INCLUDE, AND I BELIEVE EVERYONE WAS INVOLVED IN IT.
AND I DO NOTICE THAT IT'S IN THERE AND I NOTICE THAT IT, IT DOES SPECIFICALLY STATE THE NOTICE TO THE TAXPAYERS AND THE CREDIT AMOUNT IS LISTED.
AND THEN FOR THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY, IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROTEST.
UH, THE TAXPAYERS THAT WERE UNDER, UH, FILED UNDER PROTEST AND FILED A CASE WILL OBVIOUSLY GET THEIR REFUNDS THROUGH THAT PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S, THEY'RE ALREADY THROUGH THE SYSTEM THAT WAY AND, AND IN THE COURTS.
AND THEN THEY CHANGED THE NAME AS WELL.
SO IT, IT IS INCLUDED IN EVERYBODY.
IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR, UH, COMMITTEE AMENDMENT, PROPOSED BUDGET COMMITTEE AMENDMENT.
IF YOU SEE THAT, THAT ONE SHOULD ALL HAVE ALL OF THAT IN THERE.
AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE COPY THAT WE GOT EMAILED.
I DIDN'T OPEN UP THE ONE FROM THE PACKET THAT THE COUNTY COUNCILOR'S OFFICE HAD ABSOLUTELY INDEED SIGNED OFF ON IT.
MADAM CHAIR, DO WE HAVE COPIES OR CAN WE GET MAYBE MY STAFF OR OTHERS? DO WE HAVE COPY? WE USUALLY HAVE COPIES PRESENTED TO US FOR AN AMENDMENT.
HE SAID IT'S NOT IN THE PACKET THAT YOU RECEIVED.
WE USUALLY HAVE PHYSICAL COPIES AS WELL.
BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE, UM, IS THE ORIGINAL ONE.
SO WE DO NEED COPIES OF THE AMENDED ONE.
NOW, LEGISLATOR SMITH SENT IT TO US ON EMAIL, BUT IF YOU HAVE THAT COPY THAT HAS YOUR SIGNATURE ON IT, THEN UH, CAN JEN OR JESS YOU MAKE COPIES FOR US, PLEASE? I DID.
AND MADAM CHAIRMAN, I THINK THOUGHT IT WAS EVERYWHERE.
WELL, WHILE WE'RE GETTING COPIES, FOR ANYONE THAT'S LISTENING, THE, THE, THE BACKGROUND OF THIS LEGISLATION IS TO CODIFY THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN THE TAX CREDIT SITUATION.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RE ROLLED BACK THE 23 AND 24 ASSESSMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING, EVERYONE IS CAPPED AT 15% PER THE STATE TAX COMMISSION ORDER.
THE STATE TAX COMMISSION ORDER IS SILENT ON DOING ANYTHING TO MAKE THE TAX PAYERS WHOLE.
SO IT WAS UP, UP TO US TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE DO THAT? WELL, UM, ONE WAY THAT I'M SURE EVERY TAXPAYER WOULD LIKE TO DO IS GET A REFUND.
AND WHENEVER ANYBODY STARTS TALKING ABOUT REFUNDS, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT JACKSON COUNTY, ALL WE DO IS COLLECTED THE TAX AND WE SEND IT ON.
SO WE ONLY COLLECT AND KEEP ABOUT 7% OF THAT TAX.
THE REST GOES THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, THE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT, THE MUNICIPALITIES, AND ALL THAT.
SO TO ASK FOR A REFUND WOULD DEVASTATE THEIR BUDGET IF THEY HAD TO WRITE A BIG CHECK TO REFUND IT.
SO WE FIGURED OUT THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS TAX CREDITS OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, 26, 27, AND 28.
IT WILL, UH, MAKE SURE THAT EACH TAXPAYER GETS MADE HOLD.
IT'S NOT REAL MONEY IN THEIR POCKET, BUT IT IS MONEY THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY.
BUT ALSO ALLEVIATE AND COMPROMISE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THE OTHER TAXING DISTRICTS.
THEY DON'T TAKE, TAKE SUCH A BIG HIT IN THE FUTURE.
SO, UH, I IMPLEMENTED THAT AND THEN I CAME TO THIS BODY SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE AND YOU GUYS MIGHT NOT BE HERE.
AND SO WHAT IS THE NEXT EXECUTIVE, NEXT LEGISLATION EXCUSE? YOU KNOW WHAT, EXCUSE ME.
WE NEED TO RETRACT THOSE WORDS.
YEAH, I, I KNOW I I WON'T BE HERE.
SO THE NEXT, THE NEXT EXECUTIVE MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T WANNA DO TAX CREDITS.
SO BY YOU CODIFYING THIS, UH, IS THIS IS GONNA GO INTO THE LAW, INTO LAW, AND IT WILL BE, UH, THE LAW OF THE LAND.
AND SO THESE TAX CREDITS WILL BE PROTECTING THE REST OF THE TAX PAYERS MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND I DIDN'T MEAN YOU FOR, I MEANT IN THE LEGISLATURE THERE MIGHT BE SOME
AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TAX REFORM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TAX REFORM.
THIS IS SHOWING IT AND PUT THE MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS AND, AND TAXPAYERS GONNA BE PROTECTED.
AND, UM, AS THE ORDINANCE POINTS OUT, THIS WAS PUT INTO EFFECT ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2025.
AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU STANDING BEHIND YOUR WORD AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT WORD IS KEPT WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, MIHIR.
UM, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PROACTIVE BIT OF LEGISLATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, LEGISLATOR SMITH FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AND, UM, PUT INTO MAKING SURE THAT THIS HAPPENS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. KAVINSKY FOR THIS SIGNED, UM, AMENDED COPY.
SO YOU MENTIONED COUNTY EXECUTIVES THAT, UM, WE DID NOT WANT TO DEVASTATE OUR TAXING JURISDICTIONS BY OFFERING, UM, REFUNDS, BUT THERE IS AN INSTANCE IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT WILL OFFER A REFUND.
CAN YOU EXPOUND ON THAT MORE? I, I CAN.
AND THAT, THAT'S, UH, THE IMPORTANT
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DIFFERENT DIFFERENTIATION THAT LEGISLATOR SMITH BROUGHT UP THAT MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THAT PEOPLE THAT PAID THEIR TAXES UNDER PROTEST, THERE'S A, A SPECIFIC PROCESS THAT YOU CAN PAY YOUR TAXES UNDER PROTEST, AND YOU FILE THE DOCUMENTATION.THOSE PEOPLE THAT DID THAT, THEIR MONEY WAS SPECIFICALLY SEGREGATED AND PUT INTO A FUND WHERE THERE IS CASH FOR THEM.
ONCE THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY WILL RECEIVE AN ACTUAL REFUND.
SO THEY WILL GET CASH BACK IF YOU WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE MAYBE WISH THEY WOULD HAVE, BUT WERE PAST THAT HORSES OUTTA THE BARN.
BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN A SPECIFIC DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS THAT WILL BE GETTING TAX CREDITS.
SO I I, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE AND LETTER SMITH SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT CONFUSE EVERYBODY.
LET'S MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THEY'RE STILL GETTING THEIR REFUNDED MONEY AT UNDER THAT PROCESS.
DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? MM-HMM.
I JUST WAS COMMENTING TO MANNY, THAT IS YOUR MIC ON? YEAH.
I WAS COMMENTING TO MANNY THAT I TOOK BUSINESS LAW AND I'M, I AM, UH, I RECOGNIZE PAID UNDER PROTEST BECAUSE I DID IT WITH THE GAS COMPANY AND THAT'S HOW THEY PAID ME.
THEY DIDN'T GIMME A CREDIT, THEY PAID ME.
'CAUSE I, DO YOU REMEMBER THE PRICES OF GAS GOING UP? MM-HMM
SO I APPRECIATE YOU KNOWING THAT AND SHARING IT WITH THE PUBLIC.
SO BRIAN, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE CHANGES ARE HERE? 'CAUSE THAT I'M WANNA MAKE SURE I GOT THE RIGHT VERSION AND ALL OF, OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S CHANGED HERE.
O ONE OF THE ISSUES AS, AND THEN, SO THE WHOLE THING IS THE CHANGE 'CAUSE WE'RE ADDING IT.
SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS, IT'S LISTED THE WAY IT IS, BUT SPECIFICALLY EVERY YEAR PEOPLE CAN PAY THEIR TAXES UNDER PROTEST AND THEN THE COLLECTION DEPARTMENT HAS A, SETS THAT MONEY ASIDE.
AND SO THOSE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING, WE'LL NOT GET THIS CREDIT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR REFUND AND IT'S GONNA BE HANDLED IN THE NORMAL PROCEDURE PROCESS.
WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, OH, I'M SORRY.
WHAT ACTUALLY ARE THE PHYSICAL CHANGES IN THE DOCUMENT? THE AMENDMENTS? MR. CHAIRMAN? YEAH.
SO THE, THE VERY FIRST ONE, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT KEPT REFERRING TO 'EM AS THE LADA TAX CREDITS AND
AND I SAID, I DON'T, I'LL KIND OF OBAMACARE TYPE THING.
SO IT RE IT REFLECTED SAID IN, IN THE FIRST ONE IT SAID LADA TAX CREDITS AND THAT'S BEEN CHANGED TO COUNTY EXECUTIVE ASSESSMENT ADJUSTMENT TAX CREDIT.
WHAT IT'S UNDERLINE THE PAGE TWO, MIDDLE OF THE PARAGRAPH UNDERLINE UNDERLINE.
THE TITLE SAYS COUNTY EXECUTIVE ASSESSMENT ADJUSTMENT TAX CREDIT.
SO IS THAT ADDED OR WITHDRAWN? UH, IT'S CHANGED, CHANGED TO BE TITLED COUNTY EXECUTIVE ASSESSMENT ADJUSTMENT TAX CREDIT.
AND IS IT COMMON FOR US TO INCLUDE, AND THIS IS NOT AN OFFENSE TO YOU AT ALL, IT'S JUST IS IT COMMON FOR US TO INCLUDE NAMES OF EXECUTIVE OR LEGISLATORS AND, AND LA LANGUAGE LIKE THIS? I MEAN IT'S WHATEVER YOU PROPOSE.
YEAH, BUT WE, I MEAN NO, IT'S NOT COMMON, BUT IT'S STILL IT IF IT'S PRESENTED THAT'S, WE WRITE IT THE WAY YOU GUYS PRESENT IT TO US.
WHAT LEGISLATOR SMITH, DID YOU PRESENT IT THIS WAY? IN THE AMENDED VERSION, WE'VE REMOVED MR. LADAS NAME NOT WELL.
UM, AND IN 2 0 6 7 BELOW WHERE THE NAME OF THE WAS CHANGED, IT DOES MENTION THAT IT'S ORDERED BY COUNTY EXECUTIVE FILE LADA.
THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST MAKING SURE THE RIGHT VERSION WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE AND THAT VERSION THAT YOU SENT US AS WELL.
SO I, I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE WHERE AS CLAUSE I, WHAT I WAS SPECIFICALLY AMENDING OUT WAS THE PIECE THAT WE BECOME PART OF THE COUNTY CODE, WHEREAS MR. LEVITE'S NAME BEING IN THERE DIDN'T STRIKE ME AS A, AN ISSUE.
WELL, I I THINK THAT'S THE, THE QUESTION IS THAT IT IS NOT TYPICAL AND ORDINANCE AT ALL OR IN LANGUAGE TO MENTION ANY OF US BECAUSE THE CODE'S SUPPOSED TO OUTLIVE US INDIVIDUALLY.
IF MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'RE ACT, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT SECOND THING AS ORDERED BY COUNTY EXECUTIVE ON NOVEMBER 7TH, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALK SPEAKING TO? I THINK ANYWHERE, I MEAN IS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BEFORE WE'VE NOT HAD ANY NAME OF, WELL THIS IS, THIS IS IMPORTANT 'CAUSE IT'S CODIFYING THAT ACTION.
SO THE ACTION BY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE WAS MADE ORDER THESE TAX CREDITS, SO YOU HAVE TO REFER BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE CODIFYING.
AND IT WAS TITLED VODA TAX CREDITS LEDGER SMITH WANTED THAT AMENDED.
SO IT'S NOW BEEN CHANGED TO COUNTY EXECUTIVE ASSESSMENT JUDGE JUDGMENT ADJUSTMENT TAX CREDIT.
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THE SECTION IS, IS INTENDED TO CODIFY THE RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENT RELIEF PLANS AS ANNOUNCED AND ORDERED ON NOVEMBER, 2025.I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE ARE ALSO CODIFYING YOUR NAME SPECIFICALLY IN CODE AND THAT I THINK IS UNPRECEDENTED.
IT'S SPECIFICALLY WHERE IS IT ELSE REFERENCED? YOU COULD PUT ANY OTHER NAME, YOU COULD PUT, YOU COULD JUST PUT COUNTY EXECUTIVE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ISSUE IS, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE IS THAT IT SHOULD BE COUNTY EXECUTIVE PERIOD.
IF THAT'S AN AMENDMENT YOU'D LIKE TO MEET.
I I I'M JUST TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE CODE LIKE THIS.
SO, AND LEGISLATOR SMITH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU'RE WHERE WE'RE AT, WHAT THE CHAIR IS REFERRING TO, TO, IS IT THE THIRD ONE? AND IF YOU HAVE NO OBJECT YEAH.
THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE HAS, LIKE I SAID, I YEAH, I I WAS HAPPY TO CHANGE THE TITLE FROM VODA TAX CREDIT TO COUNTY EXECUTIVE TAX CREDIT.
THAT THE, THE NOTION THAT THE WHERE CLAUSE REFERS TO THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT HE PERSONALLY ISSUED, I, I DIDN'T SEE AS AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT THE, WHEREAS CLAUSES WHILE THEY'RE PART OF AN ORDINANCE, IF SOMEBODY GOES BACK AND RESEARCHES THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE, THE, THE WHEREAS CLAUSES DON'T END UP IN THE COUNTY CODE.
SO THAT'S, I WAS, I WAS JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE CHANGES AS SIMPLE AND STREAMLINED AS POSSIBLE, BUT IF YOU GUYS FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT TO AMEND THAT WHEREAS CLAUSE, THAT'S OKAY TOO.
AND THIS ACTUALLY IS THE, UM, BE IT ORDAIN PART TO BE, UM, BE IT ORDAINED THAT SECTION 2 0 6 7 WILL READ AS FOLLOWS AND IT INCLUDES THAT CHANGE IN THE NAME AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THE SECTION IS INTENDED TO CODIFY THE RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENT RELIEF PLANS AS ANNOUNCED AND ORDERED BY COUNTY EXECUTIVE FILL OF VOTER ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2025.
UM, BUT THE QUESTION IS IF YOU ARE, IF YOU HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO JUST INCLUDING COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND NOT COUNTY, YEAH.
I JUST DIDN'T CATCH THAT REFERENCE.
AND IT'S FINE WITH THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE.
UH, YEAH, SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS HAVE WE TALKED TO COUNT OR THE, UH, COUNTY TAXING JURISDICTIONS ABOUT ALL OF THIS? BECAUSE I THINK THE CODIFICATION, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR TAXING JURISDICTIONS, I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT SOME STRIFE WITH THEM STILL.
UM, BUT THIS IS LOCKING IN A THREE YEAR FIXED TAX RATE BASICALLY FOR THEM.
THEY DON'T WANT US TO GIVE TAXPAYER RELIEF.
IT, IT'S WITHOUT A DOUBT WE'RE STUCK IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN TAXING JURISDICTIONS AND THE STATE TAX COMMISSION TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS, 'CAUSE THEY HAD ALSO TALKED ABOUT A LAWSUIT.
WHAT LITIGATION OPPORTUNITIES EXIST HERE? SO WE DO THIS, SO WE'RE GONNA GET SUED BY THE TAXING JURISDICTIONS AND THAT MAY BE A DISCUSSION WE HAVE TO TAKE UP AND CLOSE.
BUT THE REALITY OF THAT, I THINK ALSO SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WE CODIFY THIS.
AND THEN MY THIRD QUESTION IS, DO WE CODIFY THIS? BECAUSE I THOUGHT MR. KAVINSKI, YOU TOLD US IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO CODIFY ADJUSTMENTS TO TAXING, UH, AT ALL.
SO HOW WE ARE NOW CODIFYING WHAT THE ORDER IS FROM THE EXECUTIVE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE HAVE THE STATE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
I THINK IN THE PAST WE'VE, WE'VE DONE CODIFICATIONS OF INDIVIDUAL SITUATIONS AND THIS IS ONE THAT HE'S CODIFYING FOR ONE YEAR.
IT'S NOT AN ONGOING CIRCUMSTANCE OTHER THAN TO EXPLAIN AND ADJUST FOR THE 23 ASSESSMENT.
SO THIS IS THREE YEARS THOUGH, RIGHT? THIS IS THREE YEARS OF A, UM, ACCREDITING CYCLE.
BUT I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE PREFACE OF WE DON'T HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY TO DO IT.
WE TRIED TO STOP AND FREEZE AND ROLL BACK LEGISLATIVELY OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS BEFORE FRANK WHITE WAS DEPARTING.
BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
I WOULD ASSUME THIS MORE HAS TO COME AS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT WE WOULD AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH NOT TO CODIFY IN LEGISLATION THAT I'M FOLLOWING WHAT YOU TOLD US MM-HMM
THE LAST THREE YEARS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PASSING LEGISLATION AND IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE CODIFYING THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
UH, WE'RE YOU'RE DIFFERENT GIVEN A DIFFERENT NAMES.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO OVERRIDE THAT, BUT YOU HAVE, IT'S JUST YOUR PASSING LEGISLATION THAT'S MIRRORING WHAT THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE'S ACTION WAS.
IS IT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER? YES.
DO WE HAVE THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
I'M TRULY ASKING LIKE, DO WE HAVE THE EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER OF WHAT THIS IS? I DON'T REMEMBER.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS WRITTEN AS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER BLANK, BLANK, BLANK, BLANK.
'CAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE SHOULD PROBABLY REFERENCE IT IN HERE.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DIFFICULT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POLICY THAT WAS ANNOUNCED ON NOVEMBER 7TH.
WHICH AGAIN, MR. KAVINSKY, I GO BACK TO OUR AUTHORITY HERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CODIFY SOMETHING
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THATSO WE AREN'T, WE AREN'T CODIFYING ANYBODY'S TAX LEVY RATE.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE COURTS AND THE STATE TAX COMMISSION DETERMINED THAT WE UNLAWFULLY OVER ASSESSED SOME PEOPLE THAT THE JUST MATHEMATICAL IMPACT OF THAT IS SOME PEOPLE OVERPAID THEIR TAXES.
WHAT WE'RE CODIFYING IS HOW WE'RE GONNA REIMBURSE THIS MORE.
THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO AUTHORITY THAT ALLOWS US TO KEEP PEOPLE'S MONEY THAT WAS UNLAWFULLY OBTAINED.
AND AND WE COULD SAY WE'RE GONNA REFUND IT ALL IMMEDIATELY.
WE COULD SAY WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT BACK OVER 10 YEARS.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF THE MIDDLE GROUND DOESN'T MAKE ANYBODY ESPECIALLY HAPPY, BUT, BUT GETS US BACK TO WHOLE.
AND, UM, AND, AND AS MR. LADA SAID, HE'S KIND OF ANNOUNCED THE POLICY, HE'S DISCUSSED THE POLICY.
SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND TAXING AUTHORITIES ARE STARTING TO, UM, CONTEMPLATE ADJUSTMENTS TO THEIR BUDGETS AND THEIR LEVY RATES TO, TO MAKE UP THE GAPS WHERE NECESSARY.
SO I MEAN, REALLY, I I THINK THIS INTENDS TO SOLIDIFY SOMETHING THAT'S PLANNED AND NECESSARY AND REMOVE AMBIGUITY IN TIME FOR SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, BUDGETS AND LOW LEVY RATES TO ACCOMMODATE THEM AND TO BE KNOWN OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, MANNY, OUR AUTHORITY DOESN'T ALLOW US TO JUST SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA, UM, I DON'T KNOW, NOT RAISE ANYBODY'S ASSESSMENT OR HEY, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET THE LEASE SUMMIT SCHOOL DISTRICT INCREASE THEIR LEVY.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT AUTHORITY.
BUT WHEN WE TAKE PEOPLE'S MONEY UNLAWFULLY AND THEN REDISTRIBUTE IT TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UM, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY LAW THAT WOULD SAY WE GET TO KEEP THAT MONEY OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS GET TO KEEP THAT MONEY OR THE CITIES GET TO KEEP THAT MONEY.
THIS IS JUST, I THINK LAYING IT OUT SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND THEY CAN MAKE APPROPRIATE ADJUSTMENTS.
I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE CONCEPT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR ALIGNMENT HERE IS CORRECT BECAUSE TRULY WE TRIED TO ROLL BACK, WE TRIED TO FREEZE.
WE HAVE TRIED TO DO MANY THINGS AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY AND I FEEL LIKE PERSONALLY AN EXECUTIVE ORDER DECLARING IT AND THEN US SAYING UP OR DOWN WHETHER WE ALLOW IT IS THE BETTER MECHANISM FOR THIS.
UM, I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT WE CAN LEGISLATE AFTER THAT.
I, I I THINK AN EXECUTIVE ORDER COULD BE CHANGED ON, ON JANUARY 31ST.
AND IF YOU'RE DONE, YOU'RE NOT WRONG TO THAT.
UM, WHAT YOU GOT, WHAT THIS BODY DOES IS YOU CODIFIED THE LAW.
YOU, YOU CREATE COUNTY ORDINANCE.
AND THIS ORDINANCE ASKS YOU TO PUT IN THE COUNTY CODE THAT TAXPAYERS THAT ARE OVERPAID ARE GONNA KNOW WHAT THAT OVERAGE IS AND THEY'LL BE GETTING TAX CREDITS FOR 26, 27 AND 28 WITHOUT THAT AUTHORITY.
THE EXECUTIVE ORDER OR ANY POLICIES MADE BY THIS, THIS ADMINISTRATION ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE HELD IN 27 AND 28.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES.
AND THE ORDINANCE DOES INCLUDE REFERENCE TO AN EXECUTIVE ORDER AND A RESOLUTION.
THAT'S PART OF THE, WHEREAS THE FINAL, WHEREAS LEGISLATOR SMITH AND I DO BELIEVE, UH, CHAIRMAN O BARKER, THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES YOU'RE HAVING WAS THE OPINIONS OF CHANGING THE ASSESSMENT WHEN IT WAS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION BEFORE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE ASSESSMENT DEPARTMENTS UNDER THE ADMINISTRATION, THEY DIDN'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH IT GOING FORWARD.
SO WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOW DOING IS WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATOR TO FIX THIS ONE TIME ERROR AND THEY WANNA CODIFY IT BECAUSE HE'S THE FIX AND THE REPAIR HE IS MADE IS OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD.
SO I DO THINK IT'S THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE USING HIS AUTHORITY IN ASSESSMENT AND TRYING TO CODIFY THE AIR, THE, THE CORRECTION.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY ASSESSMENT.
IT'S MORE OF A COLLECTION ISSUE AT THIS POINT AS WELL.
I, I WOULD REQUEST AN OPINION FROM YOU ON THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT IT.
UM, AND I WOULD SAY YES, UH, MADAM CHAIR, WE DO HAVE COUNTY EXECUTIVE ORDER, BUT I I I THINK THAT'S PROVERBIAL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ORDER THAT HAS BEEN MADE.
SO I, IF YOU'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT, WE CAN GO, YOU GO WRITE IT, COME BACK OR WHATEVER BY LEGISLATIVE MEETING.
I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE US BOTH THE, THE LEGAL PROTECTIONS THAT WE NEED.
'CAUSE WE ARE IN LITIGATION ON THIS ISSUE FROM A CLASS ACTION STANDPOINT AS WELL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DOTTED, I'S DOTTED, T'S CROSSED AND ALL OF THAT AS THIS MOVES FORWARD.
WELL, YOU GOT TWO LAWYERS OVER THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE THAT HAVE FOLLOWED AND IT DOES.
SO, UH, WHATEVER GETS THIS DONE, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO TAXPAYERS OF JACKSON COUNTY AND ALL THIS IS DOING IS MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN RELY ON THEIR TAX CREDITS COMING IN WITHOUT THAT, THAT THEY CAN'T, WE GET INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THIS.
WE CAN GET AS MANY LEGAL OPINIONS AS WE WANT.
UM, I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR QUITE A LONG.
SO IS MR. KAVINSKY, THIS, THIS IS, THERE'S NO LEGAL ISSUE WITH THIS AT ALL.
YOU, YOU GUYS GET TO, UH, MAKE COUNTY CODE ALL YOU WANT.
IF YOU WANT TO ORDER THAT, THE ASSESSMENT DEPARTMENT HAS TO GIVE CREDITS FOR 26, 27, 28,
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YOU GET TO DO IT.THERE'S NO, UH, LEGAL ISSUE ABOUT YOUR AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ASK IS ABOUT THE ESTIMATE OF IMPACT.
I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANY NUMBERS OF THE TOTALITY OF WHAT THIS IS GONNA IMPACT OUR TAXING JURISDICTIONS YET AND THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE IT MAYBE? OH, WE DO.
THEY'RE, THEY'LL TELL YOU IT'S HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
NOW THIS IS THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH ALL THE TAXING JURISDICTIONS.
CHAIRMAN, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT AN ISSUE OR A SOLUTION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN, IN MY DECISION OF TAXPAYERS FIRST.
I'M ONLY IN THIS CHAIR BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPEN TO TAX PAYERS AND THE TAXING JURISDICTIONS DO NOT WANT TO MAKE A REFUND.
THEY DO NOT WANT TO WRITE A BIG CHECK COME DECEMBER AND GIVE ALL THE TAXPAYERS BACK THE MONEY THEY WERE PAID.
SO THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT AND MAKE THEM WHOLE IS TO A TAX CREDIT OVER THREE YEARS.
ARE THEY HAPPY ABOUT THAT? NO.
THEY WOULD LIKE US NOT TO DO ANYTHING.
AND THAT'S JUST, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
TAXPAYER'S GONNA GET RELIEF AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE THERE.
SO IT, THEY'RE GONNA GET IT IN 26, UH, BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
EACH TAXPAYERS KNOW THEIR LEVERAGE AND THEY'RE GONNA KNOW WHAT'S BE BROKEN OVER THREE YEARS.
AND THAT'S MOVING, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THE QUESTION FOR THIS LEGISLATURE IS, WILL THOSE BE IN A COUNTY ORDINANCE IN 27 28 THAT THEY'LL GET THOSE OTHER TWO THIRDS AND THE NEXT LE EXECUTIVE OR THE NEXT LEGISLATURE SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S LISTEN TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
LET'S NOT GIVE IT, LET'S GIVE IT OVER 20 YEAR CREDIT, OR LET'S GIVE A REFUND.
UM, IT, IT, IT IS, IT IS I GUESS ANALOGOUS TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT THAT'S PENDING RIGHT NOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED ABOUT, AND I WAS GONNA SPEAK TO IT THEN.
LEGISLATIVE MEDIA AS A WHOLE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR REFUNDS, THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE COURT TO GIVE REFUNDS.
AND THAT IS GOING TO MEAN THAT WE WOULD GIVE BACK 7% OF TAXES AND THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL WRITE A BIG CHECK THAT IS GOING TO DEVASTATE AGREE DEVASTATE BUDGETS.
SO, UH, THIS DOING THIS HELPS IN THAT LAWSUIT ALSO TO SHOW THAT IT'S NOT JUST ONE COUNTY EXEMPT SAYING WE WILL GIVE IT TO YOU.
AND, AND NOW IN COUNTY ORDINANCE SAYING THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN AND THERE IS PROTECTION INSTEAD OF, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS? MAYBE THE JUDGE SHOULD SAY, WE DON'T TRUST HIM TO DO IT.
SO WE LITTLE PROTECTION BY THE LEGISLATURE TOO.
I, IS THERE ANY WORLD IN WHICH WE WOULD END UP DOING BOTH, SADLY.
I MEAN, CAN A JUDGE, MAYBE THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND CLOSE, BUT I I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP BOTH.
YOU KNOW, COMMON SENSE DOES RULE IN A COURT OF LAW.
BUT FOR SOME REASON THIS IS CODIFIED IN, IN GETTING, GIVING THE TAX CREDITS AND THAT LITIGATION WOULD GO FORWARD AND THAT JUDGE WOULD SAY, GIVE A REFUND.
UM, WE'D GO IN FRONT OF ANOTHER JUDGE AND SAY, OKAY JUDGE, THEY'RE GETTING REFUNDS HERE AND THEY ORDER THIS REFUND HERE.
OF COURSE THEY DON'T GET DOUBLE.
WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO? AND AGAIN, THE COMMON SENSE DOES, DOES SOMETIMES RULE.
AND I, I I BELIEVE THE COURTS WILL SAY, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IT, YOU KNOW, BACK IN JUNE THE LEGISLATURE PASSED THE CREDITS.
PEOPLE MAY HOLD, WE'RE NOT GONNA DOUBLE DIP 'EM WITH REFUNDS.
LEGISLATOR SMITH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, NO.
IF, IF YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE THE AMENDMENT STILL NEEDS WORK, UM, THEN HOLDING IT, I GUESS I HAD HOPED THAT, UH, CIRCULATING IT EARLY AND, AND, UH, GIVING EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT COULD KEEP IT MOVING ALONG.
I I, I DO THINK THERE'S SOME URGENCY HERE.
NOT, NOT THAT THE WORLD'S GONNA END IF WE DON'T PASS THIS TODAY OR PERFECT IT TODAY, BUT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO KEEP IT MOVING IS CERTAINLY APPRECIATED BY, BY MYSELF AND, AND BY OUR TAXPAYERS.
AND, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH, ATTORNEY KAVINSKI.
WE HAD ONE, UM, ITEM THAT WE WANTED AMENDED AND THAT WAS IN REGARDS TO THE NAME MM-HMM
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS? I THINK IF WE, IF YOU DO END UP DOING AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, I WOULD LOVE THAT TO BE INCLUDED AS A, A MENTION WITH THE NUMBER, NUMBER MADAM CLERK IS HERE.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE DON'T HAVE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON THE TAX REFUND SYSTEM, RIGHT? THE THREE YEAR CREDITS? NO.
JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, IF WE DID GET ONE, I THINK WE INCLUDE THAT AS WELL AS AN OPPORTUNITY.
I, I HADN'T PLANNED ON DOING AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON THE POLICIES OF HOW THE ASSESSMENT DEPARTMENT COLLECTIONS GO.
THERE ARE PROCESSES AND THAT'S JUST RUNNING THE, THE ADMINISTRATION.
UM, I DON'T HAVE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON HOW I WAS GOING TO GIVE THE, UH, RELIEF TO THE TAXPAYER.
AND I'M, I I CAN'T GO BACK AND BACKDATE A, A FORMAL DOCUMENT ON NOVEMBER 7TH, BUT THIS WAS ANNOUNCED, IT WAS ORDERED, UH, BY THE ADMINISTRATION AND THAT'S HOW THE ASSESSMENT DEPARTMENT AND EXCUSE ME, COLLECTIONS DEPARTMENT IS MOVING FORWARD ON, UM, IT DOESN'T, YOU, YOU GUYS ARE DOING THIS ON YOUR OWN.
THIS ISN'T, YOU'RE NOT FOLLOW FOLLOWING ANYTHING.
UH, A PAPER DOCUMENT, I WHAT I DID, YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU TO EITHER DO THE TAX CREDITS OR NOT.
WHETHER I DO AN EXECUTIVE ORDER OR RESCINDED EXECUTIVE ORDER DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR PROCESS MOVING FORWARD.
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OUT IN THIS ORDINANCE.UM, SHOULD WE AMEND THE WORDING IN THE LAST WHEREAS TO, UM, TAKE OUT THE MENTION OF AN EXECUTIVE ORDER AND USE IT AS THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE'S ANNOUNCEMENT OR COMMITMENT OR SOME OTHER TERMINOLOGY POLICY TO ABUSE POLICY? EXCUSE THE CHAIR.
YEAH, I WOULD USE THE, I WOULD USE THE TERM STATED POLICY.
YEAH, I I DIDN'T MEAN TO, THERE, THERE IS NOT ANYTHING IN HERE THAT MENTIONS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
THE, THE LANGUAGE IS RELIEF PLANS AS ANNOUNCED AND ORDERED BY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE.
IT'S, IT'S, AND THAT'S JUST WHAT I ANNOUNCED.
I ORDERED TO, TO THE ASSESSMENTS DEPARTMENT TO DO.
UM, THAT'S NOT FATAL TO THIS THING.
I, WE CAN DEFINITELY CHANGE THAT AND, UH, INITIATED ANNOUNCE AND INITIATED AS POLICY BY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, UH, IF THAT GETS US OVER THE HUMP AND, AND THOSE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW, UH, BY INTER DELINEATION.
AND, AND BY THE TIME YOU GET TO YOUR MEETING TODAY, THOSE THINGS ARE TOO FIXED.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE TWO ISSUES I'VE SEEN.
UM, UH, TAKE OUT SPECIFIC THE NAME OF THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE.
IT'S ALL IN THE SAME SENTENCE.
UM, AND SO IT WOULD READ AND INITIATED BY COUNTY EXECUTIVE ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2025.
AND THAT SEEMS TO GET OVER ANY, UH, REFERENCE TO EXECUTIVE ORDER, A FORMAL EXECUTIVE ORDER AND TAKE AWAY THE SPECIFIC NAME OF THE OFFICE HOLDER.
I, I THINK IN COUNTY EXECUTIVE, I'M REFERRING TO THE LAST, WHEREAS BEFORE THE BE IT ORDAINED, THAT ONE IS WHAT I THINK TO BE CREATED TO CODIFY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE'S ORDER AND RESOLUTION.
AND MAYBE WE JUST CHANGE AGAIN THAT FROM ORDER TO POLICY POLICY.
YEAH, I MEAN I, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
I'M LOOKING AT THE SAME THING THAT YOU ARE THEN.
BRIAN, DO YOU SEE THAT? NO, I KNOW.
SO THE LAST WHERE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
BEFORE THE BE IT ORDAINED, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT MADE.
UM, UH, I APOLOGIZE MADAM CHAIR.
I DID NOT SEE THAT THAT DOES SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS A, THAT ACCOUNT EXECUTIVE ORDER.
SO IT TAKES TAKING, UH, LET'S STRIKE, LETS, SO IF WE CHANGE THAT COUNTY EXEC EXHIBIT POLICY, THAT ORDER TO COUNTY EXECUTIVE POLICY IN RESOLUTION OF THE 2023 REASSESSMENT CYCLE MM-HMM
LEGISLATOR SMITH, IS THAT AGREEABLE WITH YOU? ABSOLUTELY.
SO I, AND LET ME CIRCLE BACK SO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS AND THEN WE'RE JUST TALKING LANGUAGE AND, UH, CHAIRMAN OF BARCA LANGUAGE IS IMPORTANT IN LEGISLATION, SO I I I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE KNOCK IT OUT CORRECTLY.
THE FIRST ONE, THE FIRST, WHEREAS CLAUSE, UM, THE SENTENCE IN 1984 TO BE CREATED TO CODIFY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVES, UH, WE WILL SUBSTITUTE POLICY FOR ORDER IS THE NUMBER ONE CHANGE.
THE NUMBER TWO CHANGE IS THE NEXT, UH, THE THIRD, THIRD PARAGRAPH AFTER THAT.
AND THAT SENTENCE, UH, IN THE SECOND SENTENCE IT WILL SAY, THIS SECTIONS INTENDED TO CODIFY THE RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENT RELIEF PLANS AS ANNOUNCED AND IMPLEMENTED IN EXCHANGE FOR ORDERED.
AND THEN THE THIRD CHANGE WOULD BE TAKING OUT THE SPECIFIC NAME OF THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE WHERE IT WILL JUST READ IMPLEMENTED BY COUNTY EXECUTIVE ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2025.
AM I FOLLOWING ALONG WITH ALL OF THE YES AMENDMENTS? THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.
ANYTHING ELSE? YOU SEE, CHAIR BARKA? I DO NOT.
I THINK THOSE CHANGES ARE APPROPRIATE.
LEGISLATOR SMITH, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD TODAY.
YEAH, I THINK THE WORD IS FINE.
UH, IF, IF POSSIBLE AND IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO MAKE THE REQUESTED AMENDMENTS, THEN UH, THE SKY IS NOT GOING TO FALL.
BUT IF WE CAN MAKE THOSE MINOR CHANGES TODAY AND TIME FOR THE MEETING, UH, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THEN THE CHAIR WOULD, UM, LIKE TO MOVE THIS OUT OF COMMITTEE AND SEND IT TO LEGISLATURE AS A WHOLE? YES.
UH, ARE, ARE YOU WANTING TO MOVE IT WITHOUT AMENDING IT? AMEND IT.
UM, DO WE NEED A WRITTEN DRAFT OF THIS OR DO WE YEAH.
ARE WE GOOD WITH STRIKING AND IT'S JUST THOSE TWO? DO WE WANNA ADVANCE WHAT THAT RECOMMENDATION AND TAKE UP THE AMENDMENT TO GIVE YOU TIME TO WRITE IT AND LEGISLATURE? YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, I WOULD SUGGEST THEN IF YOU WANTED TO, UH, MOVE IT FORWARD, YOU, YOU COULD DO SO WELL BEFORE THE AMENDMENT.
YOU COULD MOVE IT OUTTA COMMITTEE, I THINK IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO.
AND THEN WE COULD, OR IF SEAN'S GONNA BE LEGISLATURE,
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WE CAN IN, IN, I WILL BE THERE.AND INSTEAD OF RECOMMENDING IT AS AMENDED, 'CAUSE WE RECOMMEND IT FOR PERFECTION PENDING AMENDMENT.
DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
YEAH, I THINK YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE THE AMENDMENT, SO YOU CAN'T, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WOULD MOVE IT FORWARD AND SAY, YEAH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS FOR PERFECTION AS LONG AS IT GETS AMENDED.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO I, I THINK IF ANYTHING YOU CAN DISCHARGE IF, IF, IF THE, THE GOAL IS SEAN.
YOU DON'T WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE OF NOT IN SUPPORT OF IT.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND NOT SENDING IT OUT, YOU KNOW, A POSITIVE, BUT WE CAN JUST EXPLAIN THAT'S FINE.
DISCHARGE AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE AMENDMENT.
WE CAN AMEND IT ON THE FLOOR AND, AND, UM, WE CAN AMEND IT.
NOW IF WE ARE HAVE CLARITY, A RESET ON THOSE CHANGES, IF YOU COULD REPEAT THE CHANGES TO US THAT YOU'RE GOING TO AMEND.
HERE'S THE CHANGES THAT I WAS GONNA MAKE TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET COMMITTEE AMENDMENT ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 60 89 THAT WAS DISCUSSED HERE IN THE COMMITTEE.
UM, ON THE SECOND PAGE THERE IS THE FIRST, WHEREAS ON THE SECOND PAGE IT SAYS, WHEREAS IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS OF JACKSON COUNTY FOR A NEW SECTION OF THE JACKSON COUNTY CODE 1984 TO BE CREATED TO CODIFY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE'S POLICY AND RESOLUTION OF THE 23 ASSESSMENT CYCLE TO APPLY THESE TAX CREDITS IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN ON THAT SAME SECOND PAGE, UH, IN THE ADDITIONS TO THE ORDINANCE, IT'S THE TITLE, THE 2067, UH, ORDINANCE IS 2023 COUNTY EXECUTIVE ASSESSMENT ADJUSTMENT TAX CREDIT.
THIS SECTION IS INTENDED TO CODIFY THE RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENT RELIEF PLANS AS ANNOUNCED AND IMPLEMENTED AND ORDERED BY COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND INITIATED ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2025.
WAS NOT, YEAH, IT WAS CROSSED THROUGH.
PUT THE WORD IT JUST SAID AND IMPLEMENT IT.
THIS SECTION IS INTENDED TO CODIFY THE RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENT RELIEF PLANS AS ANNOUNCED AND IMPLEMENTED BY COUNTY EXECUTIVE NOVEMBER AND INITIATED ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2020.
BY COUNTY EXECUTIVE ON, ON, ON THE DATE.
YOU CAN TELL I'M A NEWBIE AT THIS.
SO, SO MADAM CHAIRMAN, IF, IF THE CLERK HAS THESE THREE AMENDMENTS, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY JUST LANGUAGE SUBSTITUTE LANGUAGE TAKEN OUT.
IF SHE HAS THE, THE AMENDMENTS AND THIS BODY KNOWS WHAT THOSE AMENDMENTS ARE, THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD ON IT AS AMENDED.
THAT MEANS THAT YOU'LL HAVE THE PAPER COPY IN FRONT OF YOU IN LEGISLATURE WHOLE TO SEE THOSE AMENDMENTS AND VOTE ON IT THEN.
AND THE CHAIR WILL, UH, IS WILLING TO ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT.
THE CHALLENGE IS LITERALLY EVERY OTHER TIME WE'VE AMENDED SOMETHING, WE'VE HAD TO HAVE A PAPER COPY AND NOW WE'RE EXCLUDING IT.
SO THAT'S LIKE, WELL, DON'T YOU JUST MAKE THE CHANGES REAL QUICK AND GO COPY IT.
SO WE HAVE A COPY AND OUR HAND.
WE'LL HAVE THE, YOU LET, JUST TAKE A RECESS FOR TWO MINUTES, DO IT, AND COME BACK LIKE, OKAY.
NO REASON TO NOT FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURES, JUST TO GET THIS PASSED CLEAR.
BUT LAW, UH, JUSTICE AND LAW MAY NOT APPRECIATE US TAKING THEIR TIME, BUT SINCE THE CHAIR YOU CAN HOLD IT IS THE CHAIR OF JUSTICE AND LAW.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH US? I YOU CAN ALSO HOLD THIS AND DISCHARGE IT.
I MEAN THE SAME WAY, LIKE IT'S, SO THE GOAL IS TO GET IT OUT.
LEGISLATOR ANDERSON, TAKE THE TWO MINUTES, I WOULD SUGGEST UNTIL HE GETS BACK AND THEN WE CAN, IT'LL BE CLEAN.
THIS COMMITTEE STANDS IN RECESS FOR, UM, THREE MINUTES.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE LONGER THAN THAT.
IT'S RUNNING DOWN LONG THAN THAT.
THE TIME IS 2 51 AND WE WILL READ ADJOURN THE BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING.
WE HAVE COMMITTEE MEMBER JAYLEN ANDERSON HERE WITH US AND I WILL ASK LEGISLATOR LAUER AND LEGISLATOR FRANKLIN TO JOIN IN WITH US.
WE RECESSED BECAUSE WE, UM, NEEDED TO HAVE AN AMENDED VERSION OF ORDINANCE 6 0 8 9.
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EACH ONE OF YOU HAS A COPY OF THAT.WE JUST NEEDED TO CHANGE A COUPLE OF THINGS AND WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVING THE ORDINANCE AS AMENDED.
CAN WE GET
I NEED TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT.
CAN WE GET A SECOND PLEASE? AM I ON THE
SECOND, THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT HAS BEEN SECONDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED ORDINANCE 6 0 8 9 HAS BEEN ACCEPTED AS AMENDMENT.
UM, THE COMMITTEE, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD HEAR FROM LEGISLATOR ANDERSON.
OH, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW, UM, IF YOU WANTED TO, OR THAT NOW IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO MAKE THE MOTION TO PERFECT AS AMENDED.
WE, UM, CAN MAKE THAT WE WERE GONNA MOVE IT TO LEGISLATURE AS A WHOLE.
SO WE'LL HAVE OH, OH, I'M SORRY.
YOU HAVE TO ATTACH THE AMENDMENT TO THE BILL.
YEAH, YOU JUST ACCEPTED THE AMENDMENT.
OH, I BELIEVE IT'S NO, I'LL, I'LL RESCIND MY MOTION AND WE'LL, YOU CAN PULL IT OUT OF COMMITTEE, HOWEVER YOU WON'T WANT TO DO IT.
IT, IT WILL BE THIS COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, SEND THIS TO LEGISLATURE AS A WHOLE.
THE AMENDED VERSION OF ORDINANCE 6 0 8 9 WILL GO TO THE LEGISLATURE AS A WHOLE WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION AND WE WILL DISCUSS IT AS A LEGISLATURE AS A WHOLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? JUST ONE.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, THIS IS HISTORIC.
YOU'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH THE TAXPAYERS JACKSON COUNTY ARE GONNA HAVE PROTECTIONS MOVING FORWARD.
THIS WAS, UH, JUST A POLICY AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA CODIFY IT.
UH, THE BUDGET COMMITTEE WILL ADJOURN AT 2:53 PM THANK YOU ALL.
I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GONNA BE ON CAMERA.